slouching towards Bethlehem
Subtitle: Can we talk about the “O” word?
Orgasm! Hah! I bet you thought I wouldn’t write it!(grin) OK folks settle down. There’s a reason. Don’t get all up in mah grill. I’m not going to turn this blog into a filth fest. Not that I couldn’t if I wanted to, really. Have I mentioned, Not an alien?(grin).
Let’s look at the word for a second though. What does it mean? Oh, and before we go any further, yes, I’m still working on the engine of perfection part 4. Thus the title. Everytime I get a sentence on it done, some great new idea pops up that I just have to get out first. So, here we go: Orgasm! Heh heh, y’all are gonna freak. More about Orgasms after the “more” break.
So, when same sex marriage is finally protected by law in the same way that all minorities in this nation are eventually protected from hate crimes of any kind, what will be the Christian response to married Gays? What does this have to do with the “O” word? Oh ye of little faith. Don’t worry, I’ll get to that.(grin)
Seriously though, a gay or lesbian couple who are legally married, have adopted children, and have entwined their financial lives, their hopes for themselves and their children, their relatives, their friendships, the whole “godly” ball of wax together as tightly as any “acceptably” married, Christian couple have, walk into your church and get saved. What now? Divorce?
Oooh! I used the “D” word! So which is worse? The “O” word or the “D” word? Told ya I’d get back to it.(grin)
So let’s compare:
1. Orgasm: 3.intense or unrestrained excitement. Told ya I could do this without going filthy.(grin)
2. Divorce: 1.a judicial declaration dissolving a marriage in whole or in part, esp. one that releases the husband and wife from all matrimonial obligations.
I thought about using the Wikipedia definition of the “O” word, but man! That page is filthy! I mean they use the “S” word and the “A” word…I don’t even want to mention 1.6! OMG!
Are you easily offended? What right do you have to be?
I’m getting in BIG HUGE HAIRY TROUBLE here, aren’t I? (grin)
What are you going to do about it? I know what you’d like to do about it. You’d like to get all upset and then pray about it just before (or maybe for forgiveness just after) you justify your position on the matter, all up in my face!. You godly alien you!
I know what you should do about it. Wanna know what I know? (grin)
Before I Cue the music video, check this out. This is the picture and link I almost used, but didn’t because I find the Islamic reference less disturbing(grin):
I love the way this guy writes. I’d love to read his books. I’d love to be a fan. There’s just one problem. I suspect he’s either a Charismatic, or a follower of the Prosperity doctrine. He has a link to Kenneth Copeland Ministries Audios on his website. Ah, the “C” and “P” words. Almost as troublesome to the modern day church as the “O” word. What? You didn’t think I could tie it together? That’s because you don’t pay attention. I wasn’t really talking about that “O” word. I was really talking about the other BIG HUGE HAIRY “O” word the church doesn’t like questioned.
“Offensive”
(grin)
Once again, before I Cue the music video, check out a couple of posts by this guy:
1. No Singles are Allowed in Our Church
I am developing a serious man-crush on this guy. I sure hope he isn’t a Charismatic(or even worse! Pentecostal! OMG!) or follower of the Prosperity Doctrine. Because then I’d have to dislike him. And that would just suck.
I’m pretty sure that those sentences alone qualify his blog for my blogroll. (grin)
OK, OK, I’ll admit it. This entire post wasn’t really about the “O” word. It was about the “C” word. What? NO! OMG! Get your mind out of the gutter! I’m talking about the other “C” word!
Controversy. (grin)
heh heh, couldn’t resist. OK, OK, here’s yer music video:
I know, I keep forgetting to put that final discussion question thingy on at the bottom here. OK. I may not be able to finish a post series, but at least I can follow this proper blogging etiquette rule. So here it is:
What if this is the entire answer to all the problems, divisions and offensive controversies the church is having with itself? Can you?
I’m so evil. (grin)
One last word about the title. That is such a killer poem, isn’t it? “Surely some revelation is at hand;” Gotta love Google. (grin)
Would they even be married in the eyes of the church if it was done “without the approval of God?”
Kevin Morey
August 14, 2008 at 9:39 am
Kevin Morey! Hya! Welcome to the blog! Before I respond, let me say how much I hate you! You’ve successfully combined WordPress and Twitter in a way that forces me to switch to IE mode to read it on my PC. I think we talked about this before, I just wanted to mention how jealous…uh, I mean hate I am. I’m getting old. (grin)
You raise an interesting point. It’s not the one I raised, I used the word “legally”, but let’s go there!(grin)
Nope. Legal, but not “approved by God”. But, neither was any other part of their lives before they were saved. So, Is divorce acceptable then?
jimmy paravane
August 14, 2008 at 9:50 am
That is a good question. Is divorce ever acceptable between a husband and wife? I find it slightly humorous that your chosen definition of divorce mentions husband and wife given the context.
I like your posttitle as well. Amazingly, I knew it was from a poem by Yeats (just not which one) as the author of the book series I’m currently reading refers to the last two lines a few times.
Kevin Morey
August 14, 2008 at 11:55 am
Kevin Morey, I know, you would think it’d be husband and husband, right? The question isn’t about elucidation. It’s about elucidation after the fact. Just as they are, so to speak.(grin)
I love that poem, I just didn’t know it. Another favorite phrase of mine from it: “Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;”
jimmy paravane
August 14, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Yeah Jimmy… I guess we have to define “marriage”…
God institutes marriage between man and a woman…(even if it doesn’t pass human legislation) (grin)
It is we who have to re-define it to fit into our culturally acceptable paradigm…
Is it a marriage if it is same sex?
If there is only one lawgiver… then shouldn’t we adapt, or have we declared our own right to divine law?
I don’t think so from the objective approach…from the subjective, socailly acceptable approach, I guess for the sake of communication we can call it a marriage… but that is just the legal definition of a convenient immorally forged relationship (oops, is it still okay to call homosexuality immoral like the bible does, or is that not socailly acceptable now)…
You can put a chimpanzee in a dress and call it a girl if you want…but that doesn’t make it true…
By the way, did you know that a muslim cleric introduced a “fat-wah” in 1966 declaring that the world was indeed flat?
Interesting eh?
Curious as to your thoughts my freind…
Avery
August 14, 2008 at 9:51 pm
By the way.. will you please proof-read before you post, your grammatical and spelling errors are making me crazy…
oops that was me I was reading, not you…
Please forgive…
Avery
August 14, 2008 at 9:53 pm
If you were a drug addict before coming to Christ, then you were saved… do you continue in that sin? Or do you stop the sin behavior and make yourself right before God? A Homosexual relationship is a sin behavior. Wouldn’t this apply the same?
Chelsey
August 14, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Avery, my main point was not whether same sex marriage should be legalized, but that recent history in this country shows that once an issue becomes one of protecting minority rights against majority persecution, sooner or later the federal government does step in and protect those minority rights(OK, maybe not this one, but it could very well happen under us godless demonocrats.grin). Then we are back to my question, not my fictiononal supposition. (grin)
So, do they have to get divorced? Legally married, but now saved and wanting to know what they are expected to do with their marriage, their children, their relationships with each other’s families, their friendships, their property, their legal obligations under the law as a legally married couple. Hey, I’ll throw you a bone(grin). Let’s say that they realize they can’t have sex. Can they still sleep together? Can they still be in love? Can they be intimate with each other without sex of any kind? Should they be each other’s accountability partner(still looking for the bible reference on that one,grin)?
jimmy paravane
August 15, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Chelsey, if you were a drug addict before coming to Christ, do you turn yourself in for possession, or can you just flush the drugs down the toilet? Do you have to set your dealers, friends and family members who are still using and/or dealing and/or cooking up so they can be put in jail, or do you try and bring them to Christ? Define making yourself right with God?
I don’t see anywhere in the bible where a relationship of one type or another is sanctioned by God outside of salvation, once salvation became available to man. What’s the difference between an unsaved non-same sex couple engaging in sex and a same sex couple engaging in sex, married or not? All behavior by the unsaved is unsanctioned by God in that none of it will get you to heaven. Godly or not. IMHO, as always.(grin)
jimmy paravane
August 15, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Avery! How dare you accuse me of being grammatical! I’m a fundamentalist! (grin)
jimmy paravane
August 15, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Yes; Orgasm is the answer for the church that was BUILT upon going too far.
Uncle MythMan Jay
August 15, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Jay! Hya! Thanks, I sometimes wonder if I layer somethings so deep that nobody catches them. I don’t worry about it, but I wonder. (grin) Hey that Comedy club show was uhm…interesting. (grin)
jimmy paravane
August 15, 2008 at 8:13 pm
You said: I don’t see anywhere in the bible where a relationship of one type or another is sanctioned by God outside of salvation, once salvation became available to man. What’s the difference between an unsaved non-same sex couple engaging in sex and a same sex couple engaging in sex, married or not?
There is no difference. I only mentioned the homosexual example, because that is the example that you gave. I guess the difference is that once you have been called and have recieved the saving grace that Jesus offers, you then walk in the knowledge of what sin is and isn’t.
“Making yourself right before God” probably a poor choice of words, rather “put off our former self” (Eph 22) and put on the fullness of Christ.
When we come to Christ, when we are called and if we truly have a heart for the Father, we are so replused by our sin that we want to run, to flee from it. We want no part of it. Our flesh is weak, so it is hard sometimes, but God is stronger.
Probably rambling, and not answering the question… but that’s all I got time for now!
Chelsey
August 16, 2008 at 1:00 pm
oops that should have been “repulsed” …erg.
Chelsey
August 16, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Chelsey,
What if a person is a glutton before they come to Christ? Do they continue in their gluttony afterwards?
davidbmc
August 16, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Chelsey, this non-alien is answering now because I just got back from church. That is so weird to say. What? I think so!(grin)
I’m not actually looking for the answer to these questions. I’m setting you all up for my big finish in part 4 of the engine of perfection. Boy, I can’t wait to see what I write! (grin)
Seriously, I know what I want to say, it’s just proving really difficult to get it into words. The closest I can come today is to say, I don’t think y’all are supposed to be looking for all these answers. Here, let me make it even more confusing(grin):
“1 Corinthians 7:20 Each one should remain in the situation which he was in when God called him.”
Paul is fun to take out of context. (grin)
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davdibmc! hya! I don’t usually get in the middle of comment conversations not addressed to me, but I did want to welcome you to the blog.
jimmy paravane
August 16, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Jimmy…
To answer your question… I’ll just tell you a story…
I have a neighbor who struggled with alcohol…
He got drunk one night and smashed his coffee table (glass), and cut his arms badly…
He called me for help because he knew I’d be there in a minute…
Another time, his wife kicked him out of the house for alcohol, and he came to stay…
Another time he was suffering from withdrawals and asked me to take him to the store to get a six pack…(what I did I’ll leave a mystery)…
Yesterday my neighbor told me that he is free from alcohol…
He said that before he wanted to be free to drink, and that it was everyone else giving him a hard time about it…
To him before alcohol was no big deal..
He said that once God delivered him from alcohol, he found a different kind of freedom, and a renewed mind…and he was now a Christian, when he was just a churchgoer before… now he understands the difference…
So you tell me Jimmy…?
Does being a Christian mean departing from sin…?
I am sure it does… and maybe not all at once, but sin is going to become something you don’t want anymore because the prospect of freedom is greater than the idea of being free to sin…
Chew on that awhile, and then read this….
Now we’re not talking about perfection… but we are talking about departing from sin…
Avery
August 16, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Avery: “Does being a Christian mean departing from sin…?”
Believe me Avery, I get the question. I get all the questions y’all have been asking me. What I don’t get are the same questions y’all have been trying to ask me that I’ve been trying to ask y’all. We just have different ways of framing those same questions that we can’t answer.(grin)
“Now we’re not talking about perfection… but we are talking about departing from sin…”
We could do the apologetics dance over this for the next 2000 years and be no closer now than anyone else is after the last 2000 years. But I’m special(grin)! So I’m going to ask a brand spanking new question!(Right. Like Every single question hasn’t already been asked. I do know the one about nothing new under the sun). In other words, my turn to lead.(grin)
I think perfection is exactly what we are talking about. Why haven’t y’all achieved it? Are we talking about desire or ability? Does salvation give you the desire to depart form sin or the ability to do so? If it gives you the ability, then why haven’t all you aliens over the last 2000 years been able to stop sinning? If it only gives you the desire to stop sinning, what makes you all that different from me?(grin)
Hey! I know! Let’s do the one about maturity! The tango is much funner than that stuffy old waltz…Dang it, this comment response is already too long. I wanted my turn at story time!(grin)
Fun, not safe. Eh, I like to say that, but maybe I’m not all that dangerous. Maybe I’m just full of myself. Maybe I’m just irritating. It’s OK, I know you won’t let that irritation overcome you. You don’t sin. (grin)
You had to see that one coming at you like a really slow, small, train wreck. As I said, I don’t think y’all are supposed to be asking these questions. I’m not asking them to get answers. I’m prepping y’all. Like a meat mallet.(grin)
Fair warning. I like you Avery. Plus, yer a young family man. I’m playing nice. Wanna take the kid gloves off? Say no Avery. I like having friends. It makes me feel almost normal.(grin)
jimmy paravane
August 17, 2008 at 7:05 am
Jimmy someone once said it to me this way…
Pigs like to play in the mud… it excites them.. they can’t wait for more…
Cats on the other hand, freak out big time when they get muddy or wet…
It is a fundamental difference in the makeup of a cat and a pig…
The miracle is tuning a pig into a cat… a “new creation” if you will…
Pigs dive into mud… cats do everything they can to avoid it… both get muddy…
one on accident and one on purpose…
Hey cats aren’t perfect.. just different from pigs…
Get me?
Some pigs have been conditioned to not get muddy… because of their environment, or other reasons… but it isn’t the same thing as a cat…
Dude… I am thick skinned… I am enjoying the conversation… feel free to take the gloves off… from time to time I like to play the punching bag until your hands hurt… and then help you tape em up again…its good training… and I’ll still be here… that’s what friends do…
Avery
August 17, 2008 at 8:58 pm
The post I linked here from had too large an address (http://www.xomba.com/the_o_word_the_d_word_a_bright_light_slicing_through_the_proprietary_shadow_cast_by_aliens) to fit in the website space.
MythMan Jay
August 19, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Intersting… hmm..
Rainbow Mind
August 19, 2008 at 3:04 pm